DT: i was on Sunn’s blog: Why Men Use Prostitutes (click) who posted excerpts from the full research study Men who buy sex (click).
Here are some excerpts from the research study:
Seven hundred men were interviewed for the project, which aimed to find out why men buy sex. Photograph: Christina Griffiths/Getty Images/Flickr RM
‘I don’t get anything out of sex with prostitutes except for a bad feeling,” says Ben. An apparently average, thirtysomething, middle-class man, Ben had taken an extended lunchbreak from his job in advertising to talk about his experiences of buying sex. Shy and slightly nervous, he told me, “I am hoping that talking about it might help me work out why I do it.”
I, too, was hoping to understand his motives better. Ben was one of 700 men interviewed for a major international research project seeking to uncover the reality about men who buy sex. The project spanned six countries, and of the 103 customers we spoke to in London â where I was one of the researchers â most were surprisingly keen to discuss their experiences.
The men didn’t fall into obvious stereotypes. They were aged between 18 and 70 years old; they were white, black, Asian, eastern European; most were employed and many were Âeducated beyond school level. In the main they were presentable, polite, with average-to-good social skills. Many were husbands and boyfriends; just over half were either married or in a relationship with a woman.
Research published in 2005 found that the numbers of men who pay for sex had doubled in a decade. The Âauthors attributed this rise to “a greater acceptability of commercial sexual contact”, yet many of our Âinterviewees told us that they felt Âintense guilt and shame about paying for sex. “I’m not satisfied in my mind” was how one described his feelings after paying for sex. Another told me that he felt “disappointed â what a waste of money”, “lonely still” and “guilty about my relationship with my wife”. In fact, many of the men were a mass of contradictions. Despite finding their experiences “unfulfilling, empty, terrible”, they continued to visit prostitutes.
I interviewed 12 of the men, and found it a fascinating experience. One told me about his experience of childhood cruelty and neglect and linked this to his inability to form close Ârelationships with anyone, particularly women. Alex admitted sex with Âprostitutes made him feel empty, but he had no idea how to get to know women “through the usual routes”. When I asked him about his feelings Âtowards the women he buys he said that on the one hand, he wants Âprostitutes to get to know and like him and, on the other, he is “not under Âdelusions” that the encounters are anything like a real relationship.
“I want my ideal prostitute not to behave like one,” he said, “to role-play to be a pretend girlfriend, a casual date, not business-like or mechanical. To a third person it looks like we’re in love.”
I felt compassion for Alex. No one had shown him how to form a bond with another human being and he was searching for something that commercial sex was never going to provide.
But another of the interviewees left me feeling concerned. Darren was young, good-looking and bright; I asked him how often he thought the women he paid enjoyed the sex. “I don’t want them to get any pleasure,” he told me. “I am paying for it and it is her job to give me pleasure. If she enjoys it I would feel cheated.” I asked if he felt prostitutes were different to other women. “The fact that they’re prepared to do that job where others won’t, even when they’re skint, means there’s some capability inside them that permits them to do it and not be disgusted,” he said. He seemed full of a festering, potentially explosive misogyny.
When asked what would end Âprostitution, one interviewee laughed and said, “Kill all the girls.” Paul told me that it would take “all the men to be locked up”. But most of them told the researchers that they would be Âeasily deterred if the current laws were implemented. Fines, public Âexposure, employers being informed, being issued with an Asbo or the risk of a criminal record would stop most of the men from continuing to pay for sex. Discovering the women were Âtrafficked, pimped or otherwise coerced would appear not to be so Âeffective. Almost half said they Âbelieved that most women in prostitution are victims of pimps (”the pimp does the Âpsychological raping of the woman,” explained one). But they still continued to visit them.
An upcoming new law will make it illegal for men to pay for sex with a trafficked or pimped woman â and a punter’s ignorance of a woman’s Âcircumstances will be no defence. Critics have suggested that this is Âunfair, that a man can’t possibly know whether a woman is being exploited. Our interviews challenged this Ânotion. The men knew, to some extent, about abuse and coercion in prostitution â they weren’t operating under the Âconvenient illusion that women enter the trade because they love sex. More than half admitted that they either knew or believed that a majority of women in prostitution were lured, tricked or trafficked.
More than one third said they thought the prostitutes they visited had been trafficked to London from another country, and a small number said they suspected that they had Âencountered a trafficking victim based on the woman’s inability to speak the local language or on how young or vulnerable they appeared. “I could tell she was new to the country,” said one man. “To be new in a country and be a prostitute â it can’t be a choice . . . She looked troubled.”
Another said that he had “seen women with bruises, cuts and eastern European accents in locations where lots of trafficked women and girls are”. One man suspected that an African woman he had met was Âtrafficked Âbecause “she was frightened and Ânervous. She told me she had been tricked. I had sex with her and she seemed fine with the sex. She asked me to help her, but I said there was little I could do. She might have been lying to me.”
One of the most interesting findings was that many believed men would “need” to rape if they could not pay for sex on demand. One told me, “Sometimes you might rape someone: you can go to a prostitute instead.” Another put it like this: “A desperate man who wants sex so bad, he needs sex to be relieved. He might rape.” I concluded from this that it’s not feminists such as Andrea Dworkin and myself who are responsible for the idea that all men are potential rapists â it’s sometimes men themselves.
Half of the interviewees had bought sex outside of the UK, mostly in Amsterdam, and visiting an area where prostitution is legal or openly advertised had given them a renewed dedication to buying sex when they returned to the UK. Almost half said that they first paid for sex when they were below the age of 21. “Dad took me and my older brother,” said David. “He paid. Maybe he wanted to make sure we weren’t gay. We went to a brothel. Dad didn’t do it, and I don’t think he told my mum.”
Another man paid for sex during a stag trip to Thailand with eight of his friends. He was disappointed. “It was a Russian girl, it wasn’t the Âescort experience. She didn’t want to talk, just lay on the bed and wanted to do the [sex] act only.”
Many men seemed to want a real relationship with a woman and were disappointed when this didn’t develop: “It’s just a sex act, no emotion. Be prepared to accept this or don’t go at all. It’s not a wife or girlfriend.” ÂOthers were clear that they paid for sex in order to be able to totally control the encounter, including Bob, who said, “Look, men pay for women because he can have whatever and whoever he wants. Lots of men go to prostitutes so they can do things to them that real women would not put up with.”
Although some of the men said they thought the women they bought Âenjoyed the sex, many others admitted that they thought the women would be feeling “disgusted”, “miserable”, “dirty” and “scared”. Ahmed said he thought the woman might feel “relief that I’m not going to kill her”.
Only 6% of the men we spoke to had been arrested for soliciting Âprostitutes. “Deterrents would only work if Âenforced,” said one. “Any negative would make you reconsider. The law’s not enforced now, but if any negative thing happened as a consequence it would deter me.” Perhaps the new law will make Albert think twice about paying for sex. He told me, “If I’d get in trouble for doing it, I wouldn’t do it. In this country, the police are fine with men visiting prostitutes.”
DT:Â MY COMMENTS IN BLUE.
DT:  pretty interesting findings. thanks for posting.
i liked the question about what it would take to end prostitution. its funny that we dont do that.
its also scary that the men would resort to rape if prostitution were taken away. i do believe that.
its not the sex but the appearance of having a real relationship that they are aiming for. interesting. since in real life, they dont want a relationship. (even those who are married.)
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Sunn:Â It
IS the sex, not the appearance of a relationship, that they are aiming for.
And, no, men would not resort to rape in absence of prostitution. There are countless places across the globe where prostitution is not prevalent; and rape is not rampant in those places.
Also, ending prostitution would not only require a shift on the male part of the transaction, but the female also. Remember it is a mutually ‘beneficial’ transaction. We’d also have to delve into why women sell sex, along with why men buy it.
Interesting, this author’s focus is more on the buyer than the seller. And her premise sets women up to be the perpetual victims who sell for survival and would be robbed (raped) for their ’services’ if they didn’t sell, anyway.
Could the truth be a lot less complicated (and more unsavory) than we really want to believe about ourselves? In lay men’s terms: Perhaps men are instinctively ‘pussy hounds’ and women are naturally ‘gold diggers’? And those two complimentary attributes make for the first, oldest and most recession proof profession known to mankind? Just a thought.
DT:Â “It IS the sex, not the appearance of a relationship, that they are aiming for.”
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“I want my ideal prostitute not to behave like one,” he said, “to role-play to be a pretend girlfriend, a casual date, not business-like or mechanical. To a third person it looks like we’re in love.”
“And, no, men would not resort to rape in absence of prostitution.”
 ”One of the most interesting findings was that many believed men would “need” to rape if they could not pay for sex on demand.”Â
“ending prostitution would not only require a shift on the male part of the transaction.”
 “When asked what would end Âprostitution…most of them told the researchers that they would be easily deterred if the current laws were implemented. Fines, public Âexposure, employers being informed, being issued with an Asbo or the risk of a criminal record would stop most of the men from continuing to pay for sex.”
if men no longer wanted or needed prostitution, it would go away. there isnt reason on the girls part to do anything different. if there is no longer a market for prostitution, she would be out of a job.Â
its not hard to figure out. women sell sex because they dont wanna get educated and then find a sustaining job. if prostitution no longer existed, they would have to do just that. complete schooling and find a job like everyone else.
the essence of why this still works today is because women are natural gold diggers. they want something for little or no effort. if you want answers, thats where you need to look.
Sunn:Â Has it occurred to you that the writer has selected a few quotes from a few men to complete the narrative that she prefers? How does one man’s preference for role-playing with an escort translate to a general consensus that men seek some semblance of a relationship with hookers?
DT: Of course, with any survey, the survey invariably takes the slant and bias of the survey taker. that is always the risk of such surveys. take what you want from the survey and let the rest go. its all you can do.
There have been many accounts by hookers, especially high end call girls, who say that men come in to talk and not the sex. Perhaps, they donât get along with their wives. When they come in to see the call girl, one who treats them like they are king, one that makes them feel very intimate and connected, what person isnât gonna love that feeling? Its not just about the sex. Why would a billionaire like Tiger Woods risk his phenomenal career on call girls if it were just for sex?Â
Sunn:Â And you quote the writer saying “many believed men would ‘need’ to rape if they could not pay for sex on demand”. That is neither a fact or “finding”. I can show you facts and stats that show there is no known correlation between rape statistics and prostitution. All you’ve shown was a clearly biased writer submitting an unsubstantiated notion volleyed to her by a few predatory men.
DT: of course there is no correlation between rape and prostitution. That being said, we have never entirely removed prostitution from existence to test that scenario. Just because a man engages a woman for prostitution certainly doesnât mean that same man is prone to rape. I suspect he is not prone. Rape is a serious crime, as it should be. Now, if prostitution were removed permanently, I do suspect that rape would occur. Due to testosterone, a man has a strong drive to release. If he cannot release, if he must submit to a crime, I believe he will. Not all men can channel that intense drive into non-aggressive ways.
Sunn: FYI: Rape is violence, not sex. To connect the inaccessibility of prostitutes to the rape of civilian women, is like saying without car rental service many rental customers would resort to car jacking. A rather absurd no Scotsman fallacy, if there ever was one.
DT:  if tomorrow, car rental agencies ceased to exist, the business person who just landed still needs to get from the airport to his/her hotel. That person may not want to take public transportation. s/he would find another way. In some kind of way, they would still find a private driver. Same goes for prostitution. If there were no prostitution, men may even resort to prostituting with another man (even if they are straight). You can remove prostitution from the man. You cant fight human nature. You cant remove the sex out of a man (without chemically castrating him). That strong drive is there for a reason: for the continuance of the species. Without it, we would be extinct in a few generations, thatâs how compelling that urge is.
Sunn:Â And how exactly does what would deter the interviewed men (that she chose to quote) from seeking the services of a prostitute have to do with comprehending women’s motives for providing prostitution services? There are countries where people get flogged, imprisoned and/or put to death for any form of sex out of wedlock, yet prostitution exists in those countries. Clearly, legal deterrents are not the answer.
DT: I donât give a rip about a womans motive. I already addressed that. If prostitution ceased to exist, she would be out of a job. Period. She would have to find another line of work.
Sunn: to say prostitution would go away without men wanting prostitutes doesn’t address male prostitutes, female clients or offer a plausible reason for why prostitution exists in the first place. Your broad sweeping generalization that women sell sex out of laziness, lack of education and sheer greed (i.e. gold digger) is wrought in no way encapsulates the many different types of prostitutes and prostitution. From a $2 back alley crack whore to a high-paid $50k per night escort to housewives who set out to “marry well”, prostitution ranges for more vastly than your interpretation of it covers.
DT: prostitution exists because of testosterone. Most men donât really want a relationship (compared to most women do). There arenât enough available women who will go along with a sex-only arrangement. Because of this, men have to resort to other means.Â
the good news for men is the invention of the internet some 15 years ago. Men can easily just lie and say they are not married, and get sex. Men can easily lie and say they want a relationship (because that is what she wants to hear) and get laid. So far, its no crime to lie. In essence, men have found a new way to have prostitution and that is lying on the internet. The good news is he gets a decent woman who is not a hooker, and he doesnât have to pay for it. He can get laid and then never see her again. From his end, how awesome is that? So, like I say, if you take prostitution away, men will always find a different way to skin that cat.
Sunn: that being said, I do respect your opinion and appreciate your voicing it. In my opinion, it’s quite clear this writer is biased and set out to extrapoltae whatever quotes or self-styled ‘findings’ she could from a select group of men to support her preferred narrative. There’s a reason men who read this articles either laugh at it or find it baffling it. We (men) all know the reason men buy hookers… even if we don’t readily tell women why.
DT: thank you for a lively discussion. Very relevant topics on this subject today. How about you, my readers? How you chime in on this topic?